Welcome back to the Dome, and I hope you enjoy this installment.
As always, any feedback is appreciated, and If you wanna argue, let me know.
I. Jalen Rose, plus Fab Five tangent!
Its stunning to me how much I like the Jalen Rose podcast. Rose is upfront and honest, and admits he wasn’t the best, but won the game of life over his haters. (See he is happy and rich. So the Haters lost as he has a good life. Heckuva way to look at it.)
Its nice to hear him admit how much he misses the game, and misses the college game. The funny thing is how much he inflates his Fab Fivers- people looking back may think they were undefeated going into the Final Four- or at worst having a Kentucky-type run.
Michigan was not really known before the Tourney, and not many had them going far in the same bracket with Ohio State (1 seed with Jimmy Jackson) and my beloved TarHeels) this was also the year of Duke vs Kentucky with “The Shot.” UM was ranked #16 by the way the first year, and was #3 at the start of the tourney in their second year. Only Webber was first team Big Ten either year. Let’s also keep in mind Duke blew the Fab Five out by 20 points(!) In a game that wasn’t that close. The Soph5 was a player though, but UNC was still the team to beat and Donald Williams just was incredible.
The Timeout play, for those of you thinking that was the ONLY reason UM lost, Webber was trapped by not only Williams, but Phelps as well. The closest Fab, Howard, was blanked by Brian Reese and Rose- the best ball-handler on the Michigan squad, was being shoved around by Montross. Threading that needle was not going to happen. Bobby Hurley couldn’t make that outlet.
Jalen admits that UM would lose most games vs Duke, but says the Soph5 would beat UNC 9 of 10 times.
Jalen needs to watch that game again. Webber played VERY well vs Montross, forcing him into a HORRID game. Eric and Derrick Phelps had BAD games, not to mention Dante Calabria. UNC wins that game more often then they lose. UNC had MULTIPLE all-ACC players, UM had ONE first-teamer- guess what conference is stronger in the early 90s. Yes, I know Michigan beat them earlier in the year on a final shot. The Fab Five NEVER beats that Duke team, Kentucky might have an argument that they win a good many times vs that Duke team, but bottom line. UM overachieved BOTH years to make the title game.
OK, rant over. But Jalen is just as honest talking about the NBA, and does name names, when possible, including taking shots at the great MJ, when needed. His co-host does a solid job on the podcast keeping Rose on point, and they have a solid repore. I hope Rose stays where he is. His voice would be crushed by Barkley and the TNT clones. He might be good with Wilbon, as Wilbon tends to defer quickly to ex-athletes, even if he disagrees with it later or in print.
I threw out on twitter, who thinks that if Arkansas had beaten LSU and/or Bama, would he have a job still?
Coaches, by and large lie, cheat and are treated like demi-gods, when they win. (Not saying every coach, but not every stripper is a single mom, either)
Petrino could have lived through the affair, that’s almost nothing to a top 5 coach. She’s half his age. So? Would you like it better if she was 60? I’m 38, and if I was going to run around on my loving wife, I will guarantee it won’t be with some lady at the Bingo Hall.
Giving her a state job, and 20K to boot?
That might even get St Sabin fired. That’s the kind of stuff Governors and Senators do. Flashing the DoYouKnowWhoIAm card to the cops? That’s going to get you front page (unless it works) Lying to your boss about the whole thing? Unless you got something more impressive than a 3rd place finish in the division, that’s not gonna fly. You gotta be a legend to do that. Sabin can do that, Miles might, Petrino was on his way to doing that- but he’s about 3 10-win seasons from that- and Arkansas is home to Jerry Jones, good luck being top blowhard in that program.
Chances are, the Razorbacks would have be a solid contender this year, they return a lot, and both LSU and Bama have to come to them. Petrino is a solid coach, like him or not, and if he splits that duo, he’s another top 5 BCS team, at least.
But ponder this.
Say Petrino wins the NC this year, and then has the accident. Arkansas still has to fire him. Problem is, its a LOT harder, and the next coach has a harder road to go. Petrino with a NC might be rooming with the cheerleaders.
Petrino HAD to go. Arkansas hired a douche they thought they could handle, but they were right to let him go.
And Now . . .
The NBA Hall of Fame
The question comes up, what is a Hall of Famer? Is player X a HoF? It does tend to come with a flippant answer. If you have to ask, then the answer is No. Yet if you only allowed unanimous first-year selections in, then Cooperstown would have less placards than the Royals have World Series pennants.
I like the NFL’s Process, for the most part, other than the fact it should have more people.
Here is how I would do the NBA HoF voting.
Each NBA city gets 1 print and 1 TV member (yes, LA gets 2) and add 40 at-large members (say 20 National Media and 20 Ex-players/coaches). Once a player has been retired 5 years, coach 10 or contributor been involved with the NBA 20 years, then they are eligible for the Hall. The voters get a ballot, and they can vote for as many as they want. Persons getting 50 or more votes move to round 2. Then one of the voters can make a presentation for that person, and a vote is made, persons getting over 75 become finalists. Anyone getting less than 40 are removed from the ballot permanently, people can be on the ballot a max of 10 years. Coaches/Contributors getting over 80 go into the Hall. As for players, there is a specific number that get into the Hall. The highest vote receivers make the Hall. In case of a tie, there is a “runoff” between the two players, in case of a tie, again. The president of the NBAPA makes the tie-breaker.
So how many make the Hall?
Just by the numbers.
There are 450 jobs in the NBA, and the average lifespan is around 4.7. So you have a rollover about every 10 years.
The next question is what is superlative? An A in class is 90/93 depending on your school, all-NBA is 3 teams of 5, an All-Star is 24. In other words, the ratio of All-NBA to “regular NBAer is 30 to 1, First Team is 90 to 1. The All-Star ratio is 1 to 18.75 what should the HoFer ratio be? 50 to 1? 100 to 1? If we use 50 to 1, then on any given year- 9 players can be considered playing at a HOF level. Is that accurate?
Who is playing at a HoF level right now?
- all can be considered, if this is their “normal” year- and they did it for 7 years- they would be a HoF, correct?
Ok so you can say if those 8 are playing at a HOF level, I don’t think Westbrook is, and Rose is out too much (last year, swap Rose for Love and you still are at 8.)
Is HoF at 8 to 1 a good margin? That’s 5 years at 1st team and 3 at Second Team All-Nba level.
I can live with a 56.25 to 1 HoF ratio. In every 3 Draft Classes, we have 2 HoFers come in the League. We have a MAX of 3, but in years where there are less than 3, the “slot” rolls over, so we might have 4 or even 5 in a class.
I’m 38. I’ve been watching the NBA since 1980. I go back to the days of tape delay (and short shorts) I cannot break down Cowens vs Mourning as defenders, I can break down Dumars vs Redd as players. I can think how Vlade vs Kaman would have gone. How Shaq vs Wilt? No idea. Zeke vs Rose? I can break that down. (Zeke kills him on defense, but Rose can post him all day), So lets say my “era” is 1981-Present that I can legit state whom is better than Whom.
Just for Fun (and Simplicity) Lets go by Draft Class. Start with 1981. (Bob Ryan and Jack Ramsey can fill in the gaps earlier)
Keep in mind the Naismith uses ALL Basketball – Why Ralph Samson is getting in, where this is NBA only.
I’m going to look at 2 years, and put them on a ballot, and whom I would vote for. (Links to Wiki Page)
Isiah Thomas (HoF)
James Worthy (HoF)
Dominique Wilkins (HoF)
I don’t see any other player getting double digit votes (Maybe Fat Lever and Craig Hodges) The Only ones that make MY personal Ballot are
Aquirre, Thomas, Nance, Worthy, Wilkins and Eaton. I think Blackman might also get the 50 votes to move to Round 2. A person from the body makes a presentation to the voters. And then we vote again.
I’m voting for Aquirre, Thomas, Worthy as my Three. I’ll come back to ‘Nique vs Aquirre in a bit.
Thomas HAS to be in the High-90s so He’s in the Hall.
Worthy is in the low-80s. Making the Hall but barely.
The issue is the Third slot. Aquirre might get to the high 60s. Nique might make the mid-70s mark, but I bet ‘Nique get the higher total, and even though it took him 2 year to get into the Naismith, he also has to wait this year.
So we have 2 members to the Hall, Zeke and Big Game James. Plus we move a slot for next year.
Like the process? Disagree with the logic? Let me know.
Now for Nique vs Aquirre.
Lets goto the numbers (per 36 mins)
Fairly close in Points, Nique has the edge in Rebs, Aquirre in Assists. The Shooting is fairly even.
Aquirre has a mid-range jumper, but Nique can dunk on Godzilla.
The problem arizes in what you don’t see.
Defense. Nique played Matador defense, and even late in his career could be caught out of position.
But to really have fun, lets look through the first SEVEN seasons, (I love PBR)
Mark scores more, Dimes more, Shoots better, and still plays better defense (even though his D got MUCH better in Detroit, but then again, I would be a better defender under Daly) Also in Aquirre’s column is the fact this was EXPANSION Dallas here, Think about how much fun THAT had to be. (Bobcats)
Well, thats going to do me this week, thanks for reading and let me what you think.